Arguments 5

Linda Bailey said,

I understand your argument, but like I’ve told you, you are using red herrings and faulty comparisons. Your argument is wrong and improper. You can’t logically compare unrelated cases to Coy’s case. Do you see the fallacious reasoning there? Do you actually understand?

I understand that you are extremely reluctant to look at the Harris County justice system as a whole, preferring to view each case as a completely separate and unique occurrence with no relation to any of the others. I reject this out of hand; the Houston cases mentioned here are created in the same county; they are worked by the same team of police investigators, child therapists, prosecutors and judges; continuing to insist that each case must be judged individually insulates the bad actors from consequences, as it keeps us from seeing how many times the same story has played out.

Also, you’ve mentioned cases (such as the San Antonio Four) where it hasn’t even been proven that the convicted were actually innocent. You would get laughed out of any courtroom, or any high school debate class for that matter, if you tried presenting any of this.

I am so pleased you brought up the San Antonio 4! The outcome of their case thus far is exactly what I would like to see happen for Carlos Coy; a reset back to square one, and a recommendation for a new trial. Since that is what they received, there is no need for them to, as you say, prove their innocence. If the DA decided to bring the charges they still shouldn’t have to prove their innocence because, in theory, they are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

You say that he “might” be innocent, but then you give a percentage of zero? I haven’t been accused of a crime, nor have I been on trial for one. Coy has been accused, Coy has been brought to trial, and Coy has been found guilty. That means 100% proven.

*sigh* I would like to stop repeating myself; really, I would. However, you continue to demonstrate that you cannot or will not understand that a finding of ‘guilty’ doesn’t mean that anything has been proven. Please see the many, many cases I have referenced in previous posts, perhaps starting with Anthony Graves or Michael Morton and finishing up around Ricardo Rachell.

Without physical evidence, yes. But without solid testimony? That’s a no. How dare you even say that the victim’s testimony wasn’t solid when by your own admission you didn’t attend the trial, nor have you even bothered to read the testimony in its entirety?

How dare I? There are a lot of documents out there that aren’t transcripts, Linda; enough to form an opinion, and maybe even enough to do a little agitating for change.

Your opinion is worthless until you’ve read the transcripts.

I suspect that my opinion will always be worthless to you, unless it conforms to yours exactly.

Your excuses for failing to obtain the transcripts are just that, excuses. Very lame ones at that. Instead of playing around on the internet, you need to get into action. If money is a problem, get a real job, and start saving your pennies. I also find it hard to believe that Coy can’t send you all the transcripts. Or if he can’t do it, I’m sure one of his family members could help you out. You are able to think outside the box in other aspects of this case, but you can’t when it comes to the transcripts. Interesting…

I’m just glad you’re here to give me all of these helpful suggestions.

Once again, victim testimony is strong evidence, and I have heard the child’s testimony in person. You have not, and you haven’t even read the testimony in its entirety. I believe that automatically makes my opinion much stronger than yours.

Stronger like, if they arm-wrestled, yours would win? Your opinion might be strong, but I don’t think your facts are; you refuse to share information you claim to have. You toss out little crumbs that make you seem authoritative but can’t back them up with anything substantive. You draw yourself up on an indignant little pedestal with gender-baiting, pearl-clutching self-righteousness (including non-ironic use of the phrase, “how dare you”) and claim special knowledge without the burden of proof.

I, on the other hand, am not an expert and I don’t claim to be; everything I find goes right on the blog, along with my opinion of it. I even talk to people like you, whose idea of a debate is to tell me that I’m a disgrace to my gender, fucking clueless, etc. It’s because I believe that you are capable of seeing what I see, and I respect your intelligence enough to try to make that happen.

You state that I haven’t given any proof to prove her testimony is true, but what proof have you given that Coy is actually innocent?

No, I asked you for a reasonable basis for your belief in her testimony. You gave me ‘because I believed it’ and ‘because other people believed it’. When I pointed out that mere believability has resulted in wrongful convictions, you fell back onto your ‘how, why’ mantra.

As I said before, if I had proof that Coy was innocent this blog would have a different name. The basis for my belief in Coy's innocence is what I strongly believe was an unjust trial, a trial that mimics many that have since been over-turned. It's possible that a guilty man could have received an unjust trial, of course; in either case, it should be re-done.

In that segment from the Chron, you conveniently left out the last portion, where Denise asks the girl, “What Carlos did to you – was it a dream, or did it really happen?” And then the girl responds that it really happened. Why did you leave out that last bit? Oh right, you’ve admitted you’re a biased advocate with an agenda.

Because I wanted you to bring it up, so I could point out how her testimony changed. She went from one extreme to another pretty quickly, wouldn’t you say? If she knew it really happened why on earth would she have stated, mid-trial, that it might have been a dream in the first place?

It’s almost like her testimony’s not solid, like it could be…I dunno…manipulated.

As for the lies that Coy has told, let’s see. He is lying about being innocent in this case.

I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

He told his fans he had been a drug dealer for years, but on the stand he said he had only been a drug dealer for a few months.

I don’t really involve myself in the music side of his story, but I will tell you something I’ve figured out after years of research: from what I understand rappers often use hyperbole, symbolism, and even out-right literary devices. Either that, or we’re going to have to address the issues of him shooting the tooth fairy, stealing a dead man’s Kenneth Coles, snatchin yo’bitch, and murdering various and sundry microphones.

He also said on the stand that he never slept with any of the girls who testified against him, but now on this blog he admits that he probably did.

Nope; I assume you’re referring to this post.

He has also stated many times that he “won” the civil case, when he lost.

Seeing as how the jury was required to consider him guilty and he might have been hit with a million-dollar judgment as a result, I would say the resulting verdict of 25K was absolutely a win. He spoke about it at length here on the blog.

I also read something on here where he says he has Directv in his cell, which is something else that made me laugh out loud. Through your communications with him, have you noticed any discrepancies that I’m missing?

Yeah, that was right after he got moved to Ramsey; according to TDCJ’s website some cells do have televisions, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility; he and I have discussed a few current events that he saw on TV, and since he’s in adseg I don’t think he’s watching it in the dayroom.

Until you’ve read the transcripts, I’m afraid there isn’t much point in this blog. You can say, “Well other people have been wrongfully convicted before, so MAYBE Coy was wrongfully convicted too”, but you can only say that for so long.

…and yet here you are, eating your heart out to argue with me; looks like I am making an impact.

You need actual substance to back your position up, and sadly you have nothing. Obtain the transcripts. Read them. Learn the truth.

I have an opinion about the truth; what I’d prefer at the moment is justice.